Gov. Gavin Newsom has pushed California to offer health insurance to undocumented immigrants. He also thinks the Democratic Party has failed on border policy in recent years. On a recent episode of “The Ezra Klein Show,” he explains why.

Newsom has emerged as a front-runner for the Democratic Party’s 2028 ticket. But will he be able to reconcile his track record as the governor of one of the least affordable states in the country?

Gov. Gavin Newsom has resisted the Trump administration with his push to redistrict California, while also inviting major right-wing figures like Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk on his podcast. In a recent conversation on “The Ezra Klein Show,” he explains why he’s willing to take these risks.

How the California governor became the 2028 Democratic front-runner.